Centauro ADATS (Tech tree) [details=Fiat-Terni (Tripoli) su SPA38R (Premium/Event) More information: https://warthunder.com/en/media/partnership/. Partially enclosed, tracked. All rights reserved. Very nice indeed. Prototype M113 with a singular 20mm HS-820 cannon, could be a good step up from previous SPAAs as it would be have a better firerate and could be given APDS rounds for attacking enemy ground vehicles. Processor: Core i7 (Intel Xeon is not supported). This variant was going to be made at one point. 4 x 14.5mm KPV: 148 kg/min cyclic, 995 m/s BTR-152D. Idk what people think here. I really love Anti Air Tanks and I want to know which nations have the best ones. Personaly i would say the stormer hvm not because its good(sub par for its br) but once you practice with it you can kill planes as well as a 11.0 but more importantly your missiles will get to the target first meaning you can outperform every other better spaa. Iraqi but might be added under Russia; alternatively apparently there is a new version in the Russian Army, BTR-152B. I was just wondering what you would consider the best SPAA in the game, for me it is the Ki Ni, the APHE round is perfect for one-shotting planes and it has my highest kill count of any ground SPAA 47. There is no vehicle it cannot kill. Honestly i had no idea were to put this SPAA, it wouldnt play the best due to it being quite a big target and the not the most armored thing, however the gun it has access to is very strong. Thank you Gaijin, China really needed this :). First deliveries came in late 1943. In terms of the stab, although sources (although very limited ones) do claim that the R3 had access to the stab, they fail to mention at what speed it was rated for. like yooo, if china banned all form of videosgames in mainland we would'nt have chinese tree in the first place. Fully enclosed, tracked, with well armored hull. AI SPAA seems to be one of the hardest things to fight in sim battles, if not the hardest apparently. Therefore, aspiring commanders of this machine are well-advised to position themselves in the second line where theyll be less likely directly engaged by other enemies on the ground. The reasoning for this is due to other similar vehicles having access to such rounds, the R3 can become more of what players actually use it for, a fast IFV/light tank destroyer. The Multiple Gun Motor Carriage M13 is a rank I American Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft (SPAA) vehicle By the time the allies landed in France, 568 of them had been refitted with the later M45 turrets. I could add them to my honourable mentions list next update. You see if Gaijin finds a way to keep things grounded and also being in relation to that nation then theyll go for that option. None of the vehicles between the 3.0 ZiS-12 (94 KM) and 7.7 ZSU-37-2 truly work against aircraft, and even those two aren't particularly good. Where is the R3 T20 gone? Due to this armament, the M13 is foremost an SPAA that relies on its mobility and fire rate to destroy aircraft, or very thinly-armoured tanks. You can kill the helis and planes as they spawn before they get a hoard going although the mig27s are very difficult to cou ter if the pilot has even half a brain cell. I do not support adding sub trees to Italy, horribile idea. Also has a coaxial 7.62mm MG, Vodnik BPPU. We want an Italian anti aircraft veichles not anything else. You can Google them for information if you can't wait for their dev blogs :), Xtanol, I'll look them up, but it'd be nice if we got official confirmation :). BR wise i have no clue exactly where it would go, it purely depends on how far gaijin is willing to go to model its missiles which are quite powerful. Russian 8.0 SPAAs :: War Thunder General Discussions - Steam Community Nothing really changes besides the hull so the mobility between the 2 vehicles would differ. 4 x 14.5mm KPV: 148 kg/min cyclic, 995 m/s, BTR-50 ZPU-4. [Video] German SPAAs - News - War Thunder The new and improved SPAA line for Italy features many new vehicles. It wouldnt have access to any sort of APFSDS but would be highly mobile on maps with roads. A better option in my opinion would be to add a Brazilian subtree, which would include a Marder Roland. A sub-tree is a much more practicable solution than a paper vehicle. This Is not based on an assumption or else, this Is much more. I don't have a favorite save for later West German SPAA. We invite youtubers and streamers to cooperate and offer support depending on the quantity and popularity of your content. Production of that modification continued through May 1943, with 1,103 units eventually built. finally, after nearly 2 years in the game, china gets a radar SPAA! Mig-29s have a very narrow radar, so even if they catch you while you climb, they will loose track as soon as you dive. Category:Anti-aircraft vehicles - War Thunder Wiki As a result, tankers should have no trouble traversing the battlefield and quickly changing positions in the PGZ04A - a tactic thats well worth sticking to if you wish to remain an elusive target both for enemy ground and air units in particular! Can we have the BTR-152 raised to tier 3, so Russians get a decent AA vehicle at tier 3, for the events? Honorable mentions (vehicles that can be added but i didnt add to the line or vehicles which arent super needed). Thanks to its much simpler design, the prototypes passed testing relatively quickly, leading to the vehicle entering service in the 1990s under the designation PGZ-95. A machine gun strapped on your tank might work in a pinch, but. Best Nation for SPAA's? :: War Thunder General Discussions Be careful to not radar lock helicopters, as they usually have RWR and will detect you if you lock them. As such, here is a compilation of different SPAA options for the various nations, with suggested placement as well. Something is clearly missing. With the lack of radar, likely to be placed below the M163, but more likely an event vehicle. Now, would you please fix the bofors on our US SPAA's, our fire rate is nerfed, and they don't fire in sequence as they should, reducing fire density and making them far less effective than they were. Also, "The ZU-23-2 has been mounted on regular BTR-Ds for use as fire support for infantry sections", without the missiles (although it would be technically wrong to call this the BTR-ZD), MT-LB (ZU-23-2). Hence, always remain on the lookout for enemy aircraft. Could fit a similar role as the Falcon. Placed after Ystervark, or as event vehicle, Land Rover-based Halftrack with either a 20 mm Rheinmetall Mk.20 Rh 202 or Oerlikon GAM-BO 20 mm cannon, Side-grade to Ystervark, likely event vehicle, Chieftain turret with similar armament as the Falcon, but with radar, A project to convert the Stormer HVM to carry either a 25mm GAU-12/U or 30mm GAU-13/A gun, plus a pair of Stinger missiles, Would fill a similar role to the LAV-AD, with a similar BR (depending on whether it goes with the 25mm or 30mm gun). M113 Rheinmetall RH202 (Tech tree) It could get a BR of 6.7-7.0. Valve Corporation. 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. The prototype of the SIDAM has some differences from the production variant, specifically the prototype has access to night/thermal vision devices and an IFF system on top of the turret (IFF standing for Identification friend or foe). This anti aircraft platform has nothing to do with Italy and Italo-Brasilian collaboration. 6-barreled 37mm rotary cannon with pulse doppler radar, 2x 35mm guns, with radar, on an M48 Patton chassis, Early SAM system, armed with 4x AIM-9-derived missiles. Although this is called OF-40, the platform was actually of the Palmaria which was modified, currently also present on the OTOMATIC. Ideas for some new SPAA for America. Also I haven't gotten around to all of the countries yet, as I'm sure you can tell, so any help adding vehicles for those other nations it would be greatly appreciated. Learn more about our, https://warthunder.com/en/media/partnership/, https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/495732-extremely-high-repair-costs-of-german-wwii-spaag-in-arcade-battles/. (Tech tree) Wibel is a death laser and frankly the best SPAA in the game with no downsides at all whose potential is absolutely wasted by braindead buffoons. Try hiding behind large hills, buildings near spawn, and other large obstacles. Fully enclosed, wheeled. You mean to tell me there's more than ONE AA I'm supposed to use in the German lineup?! Partially enclosed, tracked There are more possibilities for vehicles with 30mm+ autocannons, but as they have stabilizers they would probably meet or exceed 7.7 BR. Fire and forget munitions seem to work the best for me. Video Card: NVIDIA 1060 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD (Radeon RX 570) with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) with Vulkan support. The 20mm is accompanied by a radar which again is quite rare to see on Italian SPAAs. Why not maybe add a few more low-grade trucks with the 20mm Breda? R3 T20, OTOMATIC, Wirbel, M42 Contraeraeo. Though in the Tornado Gr1 at least, you are vs Mig-29s staying at that high is even more dangerous than the SPAA, Even briefly. Gaijin could also give it SCUDO APS which was showcased alongside it. The first build up was a 4x4 truck with an anti-aircraft armament of two .50 cal M2 Browning machine guns, this was called the T1. The M2s have exceptional AAA ability, take use of their tendency to set opponents alight. Could be a neat premium or event vehicle for people who want to add another OTOMATIC to their lineup. Fully enclosed, tracked. Honestly a lot of our problems could be resolved with adding this vehicle, sadly the only thing that stops it from being added is that in real life it needed to have a pet vehicle to actually function properly. Could fit after the M42, Prototype for the Type 87 SPAA, with 2x 35mm guns on a Type 61 hull, Another Type 87 SPAA prototype, this time built on a Type 74 chassis, 40mm CTA gun on a wheeled chassis, could be used both in an anti-tank and anti-air role. Following the Roadmap: maps for aircraft, flares and repair. Therapist: Chinese Tunguska isn't real. 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. There has been nothing touched to anything ground-based radar systems so I do not see how anything they have added would effect tracking radar for SPAA. Strafing aircraft can be extremely deadly; stay in cover and lead your target. In Radar SPAA it is imperative to use your intuition and not just the lead indicator. Something is clearly missing. Was going over 1000 km/h, but its not possible to drop something on them, they snipe you with 100% hit chance it seems. Gives ~2x the hull armor, ~10 km/h higher top speed over Crusader, After Crusader AA Mk II, possibly after Ystervark, but before Skink, Modified 6x6 artillery tractor with 4x 20mm Inglis cannons, Soviet ZU-23-2 turret on the back of a truck, Would be similar to the BTR-ZD, but with less armor. Partially enclosed, wheeled. Many of the posts here have actually already been made into suggestions and have some have also been passed to the developers, which is good as it means Gaijin likely are already aware of the existence of some of the vehicles being proposed. Great idea, feel free to suggest more you think could fit. Learn more about our. Work on a mobile anti-aircraft emplacement began in October 1940, as the US Army needed vehicles capable of covering mechanized columns against enemy air units. Please do write down in the comments bellow what you think of this, thanks for taking the time to read it and have a great day/night. For more information, please see our China has 1 good, 1 great and 2 mehs. It would be easy for gaijin to model, both the RBS 70 and the Iveco Lince have tons of information to accurately model. Initial versions were effectively AIM-9Ds, later versions gained all-aspect seakers and pulse dopler fuses, Likely between the M247 and LAV-AD, but depends on which missiles it gets, Up to 8x Stinger missiles + 1x .50 cal on a HMMWV chassis, 9x surface-to-air missiles on an M113 chassis, with radar, 20mm Phalanx CIWS mounted on the back of a truck, includes search and tracking radar, Upgrade to the M163, possibly even above the M247, Exactly what is says on the tin, 3x 20mm Hispano cannons on an M113A1 hull, 75mm anti-aircraft gun with radio proximity fuse and 40-45 RPM fire rate on an M19 chassis, After the M42, or possibly an event vehicle, Crusader AA Mk II turret on a Cromwell chassis, with a weaker engine. By that logic why couldnt Japan get South Korea or Thailand as a solution to them not having any top tier jets that could be added whilst fitting the meta? 14 March 2022 Development. SPAA Nerfed AGAIN :: War Thunder General Discussions - Steam Community The vehicle should be lowered in BR since better SPAA are availible at lower BRs so 7.7 BR would be ideal. Briefly: An early 2000s Chinese SPAA unit, featuring a combined cannon and missile anti-air arsenal coupled with a radar system. This problem is particularly bad in the early Cold War setting of ground simulator battles, where Russians have little recourse against CAS (Chinese players are uncommon, and shooting down enemy planes with a fighter in simulator is very difficult for most players). This page was last edited on 26 January 2023, at 10:55. I haven't liked the Kugelblitz ever since they've split up its ammo into magazines. That decision was based on the fact that the M3 was 250 mm longer, making it an easier fit for the armament and crew. Reddit, Inc. 2023. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. SPAA tier and skill requirement graph : r/Warthunder - Reddit The R3 T20 FA-HS has superior survivability to the Zis 12 94km, So-ki, CCKW 353 AA, and L62 Anti II. With the addition of the Skink to the British tree, a lot of people have been asking about other options for the US and other nations. Overall its not a needed addition but can help bolster someones lineup if they need extra firepower. It would be easy to make considering the hull for the vehicle is already in game, and the turret is similar to a vehicle that we also have in game, which as i previously mentioned helps out the devs as its not an extremely hard thing to make. Partially enclosed, wheeled BTR-50 ZPU-4. SPAA tier and skill requirement graph. There's a fairly large gap between the M16 and the M19. In order to prevent this from happening, set the range of the radar to 16 km instead of 10 km to detect any side-climbing planes to prioritize before they climb above the maximum radar elevation range. AI SPAA seems to be one of the hardest things to fight in sim battles, if not the hardest apparently. with a battle rating of 11.7 (AB/RB/SB). Archived post. However, 25 mm autocannons only have a limited engagement range of about 2.5 km, meaning theyre really only effective as a short-range weapon against aircraft already in the combat zone. The Jennifer Lawrence vehicle from Sony Pictures revolves . Alongside the new rounds it will also get the ability to scout enemy players (considering its a reconnaissance vehicle) just like the R3 T106 in the tech tree can. 3. OS: Most modern 64bit Linux distributions. Experienced pilots will try to side-climb outside your range and will try to attack from the top where your radar will not show the incoming plane. Partially enclosed, tracked, 2 x 23mm ZU-23: 374 kg/min cyclic, 977 m/s, limited by short belts and manual reload, BTR-ZD. People who play the American tech tree, its the same gun on the M113 Vads. Why does a sub tree need to be a solution? OF-40 SPAA (Cheetah PRTL/ATAK-35) (Tech Tree) You can make their life hard if you circle the target by moving the aiming reticle around the target in small circles, causing your missile to change direction really fast and making it nearly impossible to counter if done right. After the Sidam Mistral, i propose to add the Iveco Lince which was tested and marketed with the RBS 70 short air defense system. (The gattling/mini gun 1, is it good?) Scan this QR code to download the app now. With this change you will please the Italian community as the R3 will be more historically accurate and will be able to perform better at a higher BR anyway because of the abundance of light vehicles with no armor. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Only 139 units of the M13 GMC were deployed overseas by the army. Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle, Reduces the error and increases the maximum measurable distance of the rangefinder. All rights reserved. Careful, logic offends some people. Which in game would be very devastating for anyone on the receiving end, mainly helicopters. It can also be used as an SPAA just like the R3 can, so if gaijin want to they can just give it pure AA rounds. As such, the US Army submitted a request for the development of a mobile anti-aircraft vehicle to defend themselves against enemy aircraft. The best thing is that this version actually has a dedicated anti-air turret with amazing elevation angles. I decided to add this vehicle after the AS 42 as due to the weapon it has access to, its the same exact 20mm cannon present on the M42 Controaero, but instead of 4 being present, the player only has access to one. That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad but it does indicate that it's difficult to use. Lost another Tornado yesterday to a NPC SPAA. Hes fast, small and has the best tracking AA Stinger in the game, that will always hit the target no matter the speed of the plane or what G they pull. At the BR of 8.0, will be the OF-40 SPAA prototype which mounted the Dutch version of the Gepard turret, known as Cheetah PRTL/ATAK-35. The x2 35mm cannons are very powerful and can easily deal with both air and ground targets. Overall its not a needed addition but it can help by bolstering low-tier lineups and giving a boost to any newcomers playing the Italian tech tree. US ADATS. Originally i had it in the main line but since the OF-24 MK3 was part of the line and had the same armament, i didnt see the need to also include this. The first mass-produced vehicles were launched by the White Motor Company in December 1942 as the M13 MGMC (Multiple Gun Motor Carriage). The high rate of fire, good handling/mobility, and turret traverse make the M13 a wonderful hit-and-run tank. The first one has the issue that it isnt exactly precise, the most i've managed to kill with this tactic is 2 spaas and one tank (it was using an f4 carryng full 750lb bombs). Since it doesnt seem that there are any nerfs to spaa in the horizon, maybe we can come togehther and discuss ways to actually kill those monsters. Like most vehicles of this class, the PGZ04A isnt very heavily armored. In fact, the best mid-tier Russian SPAA is arguably the Object 268, because it has half the firepower of the BTR-152A while being much better armored and also happening to have a gigantic cannon with which to defend itself against tanks. Although i can see people feeling a bit iffy about this addition, i believe its needed, i decided to add the OF-24 MK3 because this variant of the vehicle features the same armament of the previous SPAA, but instead of having 1 RH202, it has access to 2 of them. In order to intercept aircraft before they arrive to the battlefield, the PGZ04A also has access to four HY-6 IR-guided missiles, mounted in pairs above its guns. In the late 1980s, Chinese engineers began work on developing a self-propelled anti-air vehicle in order to meet the demand of the PLA for a replacement for towed AA batteries, capable of engaging low flying air targets. This would literally be an M113 with a singular 25mm, wouldnt be OP whatsoever and is quite easy to model. So something that i always wondered is why the R3 is classed as an SPAA, look i get it it can be used as an SPAA and to a certain extent i can understand the thought process behind it, however in the Italian tree the R3 is quite a controversial vehicle. Fixing the Russian mid-tier AA gap - summary of options Missile has enough explosive to destroy lightly-armoured vehicles, and even tanks via overpressure through the turret roof or hull belly. Remember that you do not need to hit the target directly due to the missile's proximity fuse. The non retractable search radar makes it hard to find spots tall enough to hide the FlaRakRad's immense size. Keep in mind that after firing the second missile, the FlaRakRad will not begin reloading until the second missile hits a target or reaches its max range and self-destructs. Centauro ADATS is not even a paper vehicle. For people unfamiliar with what actually happened, the C-13 was going to be fitted with a prototype turret of the SIDAM, but due to political reasons it was cancelled last minute before they were physically mounted together. There have been many suggestions to fill Russia's mid-tier SPAA gap, which I have collected here into a list for easy reference and comparison. Video Card: DirectX 10.1 level video card: AMD Radeon 77XX / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660. Ukrainian but might be added under Russia (subject to political controversy), ZSU-23-4M2. The FlaRakRad self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system with the Roland 3 surface-to-air missile system became the most advanced modification of the Roland, Franco-German anti-aircraft missile. Partially enclosed, tracked. For me the best solutiona i've found is to either carpet bomb the general area with high explosive bombs (and hope they kill the spaa), or use precise weapons like guided atg missiles. Currently this type of armament is present inside of the Swedish tech tree on 2 different vehicles, if given the right missile this could prove to be quite the potent top tier SAM for Italy. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. SPAA Radar & Sensor Systems - War Thunder Wiki The other way is more effective however is hard to spot ground targets using the tv. It also dosent need anything to attack ground because of your superior mass you can push everything around like a ragdoll. The PGZ04As primary armament consists of a quadruple 25 mm turret, equipped with the PG87 cannons which some tankers may recognize from the ZSD63 SPAAG, introduced in a previous update. yes yes, i hope next dev will be any vehicle that you wouldn't like again))))). Although it was never fully constructed the parts for this version were both completed and were going to be mounted. Here's hoping for an entire patch of just chinese vehicles just to spite racist scums like you. There are 5 mm plates inside the rear compartment (see image). Adding Skink and Sperry Vigilante could really go a long way to helping the allied teams defend themselves from the frankly ridiculous German CAS. With all these options, some of which are very similar to existing vehicles (thus requiring little modeling work), there is no excuse to leave the Russian tech tree in this state. Against tanks, flanking and hit and run are a must. This vehicle could easily be a low tier event vehicle or cheap premium that new players of the Italian tech tree can use, to help them get a start to the tree. Armed with a quadruple 25 mm turret and backed by IR missiles and a radar system, the PGZ04A will substantially bolster the Chinese SPAA lineup at the higher ranks and . Following trials, the recommendation was made to accept the weapon and launch full-scale production based on the M3 half-track personnel carrier. Well, favourites SPAAS on my end are in the USA,German,Soviet,Italian and French Tree, alltought im not at the same br for all of them. Armour is still lackluster however. Russia has a major gap in mid-tier SPAAs. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. The trade off would be it not being as survivable as the previous SPAA but likely a bit more mobile. Although personally i never saw a problem with it, i decided to do a compromise in which the R3 will no longer be in the SPAA line, but moved into a seperate line for it. Ideally it should be placed in a theoretical 5th line around the BR of 6.0-7.0 with major changes. also wiesel 2 with VLC, LFK NG missile when????????????? I decided to add this vehicle to the tree mainly due to Italy currently not having access to a SPAA at the BR of 1.0, but i did not feel it is needed in the main SPAA line as the AS 42 is more than good as a starter SPAA for Italy. Both parts were completed so technically its not directly a paper vehicle, i know its controversial but if were looking for a top SAM that fits the meta then this is one of the only options. You're right about them not showing up on thermals too well. < 1 2 3 > Showing 1 - 15 of 37 comments Rei [Pwner] Nov 9, 2021 @ 10:17pm Ki-Ni? That vehicle does not exist, unless you mean the Ke-Ni SPAAG in Japan, which is the Ta-Se. Its because of this that i satrted this post. The first prototypes were designated Type 90-II and Type 90-III, having their general design resembling that of the Italian SIDAM 25. One of the most iconic German WW2 military vehicles, definitely should've been in game long ago, those things were multi-role vehicles. Featuring a devastating arsenal and superb mobility, the LAV-AD will soon join the fight in top ranked ground battles, arriving in War Thunder as part of the next major update .